THE SLIPPERY SLOPE

Those readers who are familiar with logic and critical thinking will understand the argument of the ‘slippery slope’.  It suggests that making a downward move in a particular direction starts something on a path that will continue to slide in that same downward direction. People like me usually use it in terms of moral decline.  For example, if you legalize marijuana it may lead to the legalization or at least increased use of harder drugs, hence you have started down the slippery slope.  Opponents of this kind of reasoning call it the slippery slope ‘fallacy’ claiming it is not valid and cite many examples where it is not the case.  The problem with dismissing the argument completely is that it leads to a false sense of security that we are never in danger of falling off the edge of a cliff.  Anyone who has ever climbed down a slippery river bank too far knows that if and when you end up in the river, there was nothing fallacious about it.  I think for any of the unconvinced this video nicely demonstrates how it works.

As a nation we have started down many a slippery path.  One such example has been the abortion issue.  Many think the debate has been decided that it is over and down with. What they may not realize or will not admit is that it put us onto a dangerous and deadly path.  Because Canada has no abortion laws whatsoever, fetuses can be aborted legally right up until moments before natural birth without impunity.  Thankfully that does not happen often as most doctors are far more reasonable than to do such an obvious murderous act.   However the slippery slope has led us down another treacherous path, that of sex selection abortion.  In many cultures around the world, male children are preferred over female.  So in places like China with a ‘one child’ policy the parents will abort a female fetus and try again in hopes of getting a male.  With some couples this scenario may be repeated several times until a male is conceived.  The map below shows that males under 5 years outnumber girls in every single province, some by as much as 30%.  The result of this slippery slope will be catastrophic in 20 years when these young men will literally not be able to find a woman to marry.  Will they have to institute a marriage lottery to determine who gets a wife?

The United Nations estimates that 200 million women and girls are missing due to gendercide, and stated: “Renewed and concerted efforts are needed by governments and civil society to address the deeply rooted gender discrimination which lies at the heart of sex selection.”  Even the normally morally liberal UN feels governments need to act to reverse this trend.  Canada is doing nothing… actually worse than nothing which we will get to in a moment.

In June 2012, the CBC aired an investigation on gender selection. With hidden cameras they visited 22 private ultrasound clinics in Canada. They found that most of these clinics were allowing ultrasounds to tell the sex of the baby so that the parents could choose to terminate the pregnancy if the unborn child is female.

 

All of this is bad enough in itself but this is where it gets worse, much worse.  On March 28th Conservative MP Mark Warawa attempted to introduce a motion in the House of Commons.  Motion 408 merely asked that the House condemn discrimination against females occurring through sex-selective pregnancy termination.  The motion would have had no legal ramifications but it would have at least represented a sentiment of the Canadian values on this issue.  Warawa claims that 92% of Canadians want the practice of sex selection condemned.  The Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs’ rejected his motion and he was not permitted to even introduce it in the House.   Then when he later wanted to speak on the issue on what is a called a ‘point of privilege’ his own party would not let him speak.

As a Canadian that believes in democracy this really angers me.  And it should anger every one of us.  I understand Steven Harper’s reluctance to allow the abortion debate to be reopened, but his misguided sense of political survival is trumping his sense of democratic freedom.  Once you begin to muzzle the free speech of your own MP’s you have started down the slippery slope to the totalitarianism that exists in places like North Korea, Cuba and Syria to name only a few.  In a pathetic attempt to appear untainted by the abortion issue our government has resorted to suspending democracy.  The British Westminster system of government that Canada employs has always afforded MP’s the right to represent their own views or those of their constituents.  It is called the House of Commons for a reason.  It was always meant to be the place where the ‘common’ man could be democratically represented.  I am profoundly disappointed in Steven Harper’s heavy handed approach to handling his MP’s.   He has nothing to lose by allowing Warawa to proceed.  If the House of Commons accepts his motion, or rejects it, that is a reflection on the sentiment of the House not Harper’s government.

The snowball has picked up some new momentum on the way down this slippery slope. This is far more serious than most people realize.  We are not only talking about human lives and social engineering but democracy itself.  At some point you reach the breaking point where you begin an irreversible slide.  Let me leave you with one more very short video.  It is not as terrifying as the last but you will get the point.  No skiers were harmed in the making of this film.

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81 Responses to THE SLIPPERY SLOPE

  1. Sally says:

    On a flight back from Florida recently,I met a young man from Bejing who was here in the West studying our mining operations. During our conversation he echoed these same sentiments about how very few women there are now in China. We spoke about the one child policy and he said it is a grave mistake and he said that a lot of the young people are voicing there concerns to the government about this and he is hopeful that this policy will one day be overturned. He was 33yrs old and he said he would like to be married and have a family but it didn’t look too good for that happening. I was able to share the Lord with him and I did say I would pray for a wife for him, even if she was western! I also have hope that we will see an abortion law in place soon. There are going to be 25 women walking this summer from Montreal to Ottawa to represent the 25 yrs Canada has been without a law. As a woman of prayer I know that nations can change in a day, and I believe that the tide is turning in our nation and that one day we will see this travesty overturned. With God all things are possible!

  2. Ed says:

    I agree the Conservatives’ move to muzzle Warawa and other MPs from their own party is very troubling. And I believe CotR’s own Rod Bruinooge has come out in support of Warawa, a move that I’m sure did not please Mr. Harper.

    So what’s a socially conservative Christian to do? The Conservative Party is most closely aligned to our values, yet they have some faults that are hard to overlook. In an effort to appeal to the mainstream they’ve essentially abandoned their socially conservative values. And in an effort to keep everyone in the party on the same page, non-approved topics are not open for discussion. Is this really the right party for us to be supporting?

    We need to pray for our country’s leaders more than ever before.

  3. Bruno says:

    In South-East Asia, we are basically seeing the opposite. The poorer parts of Thailand, Cambodia and Philippines do not contraceptives and sometimes fail to see the long-time impacts of too large of a family. Has such, you can see villages where the average family has 5-6 children each.

    It is obviously an issue right now, as they have to care beyond their means, but I wonder if this will be the cause of a shift in 50 to 100 years, with those countries have rising population while neighboring ones like Japan and China keep declining.

  4. Sally says:

    I, too, find the erosion of our freedoms disturbing but what is more disturbing to me is that the Conservative party that was voted in is the major contributing factor to eroding them. It seems true that power corrupts or else it was a pretense to get re-elected. Definitely more prayer needed but also more action eg letter writing, phoning our MP’s and do all we can to let the government know that we are not happy with their policies. It is a daunting task but we must keep standing up for truth and righteousness and not be discouraged from doing so.
    With regards to the what would seem to be overpopulation in South Asia countries, at least they still have the option to have children, and we the richer countries must do more to help them out as Jesus said to do. We will always have the poor with us and He tells us to help them (Isaiah 58:7) May we be found faithful to do all we can, especially now that His return is closer than ever before!

  5. Janice says:

    R2B Right to Birth
    What about attacking this issue from another side. How about a bill to protect the rights of persons identified as going to have special needs as having the right to be born ? Talk about bullying… how much worse can it get. Given the percentage of the population said to be “disabled” are we not at risk of annilating our own species. What comes next …intercepting persons found to be purchasing adult incontinence products in the drug store and escorting them to boxcars ?
    Before you were born I knew you. I knit your inwards parts together while you were still in the womb.

  6. Marcy says:

    Abortion is a slippery slope with not one but two slopes. I believe that gender based abortion is wrong but I also believe that uprooting the system in Asia with Western values will also create systemic problems. As a woman I am appalled and horrified by gender selective abortions and as a Christian I believe in protecting all of God’s creations. The discussion about gender selection in Asia and particularly China disturbs me on several levels. While, I believe gender abortion is wrong I also believe that pushing to have gender abortion uprooted on secular Western values will have terrible impacts for the women in the area. Western views of women have become very secularized and this is strongly linked with increasing violence against them. My concern is that for Western Christian society to have any impact on eradicating abortion they will have to temper their Christian values and present it on worldly moral terms. Worldly morality is based on nothing but what society deems as okay and in a matter of time the will be back where they started with more issues added in.

  7. Sally says:

    The underlying issue is that secular society does not value life anymore. We have become a culture of death, death in the womb, death of our young people by suicide and death by euthanasia. It all starts out as a choice but then it developes into something else. Once a society accepts the solution of death as an answer,it snowballs into where it death is an acceptable form of getting rid of those people who are not deemed worthy to live. A prime example is Belgium and the Netherlands where several elderly have been euthanised without their consent. Belgium by the way is the country that has the most body part donations and we can see why. Just recently two deaf twin brothers approx 48 yrs in age were told they were going to go blind and on the strength of that information decided to be euthanized and were no doubt encouraged by their Drs to do so. What a sad situation that they didn’t value their life enough to fight until the very end. Which brings up another point: that we have believed the lie, that our lives should just be easy, with no pain, no stress and that we should have everything instantly. We don’t fight for anything these days and as a result we see death as an easy way out. The recent Gosnell trials in Pennsylvania has shown just how far we have fallen from Grace where now lawyers have decided that if a baby who was still alive after an abortion is not alive enough to live, because Oh they say that he only kicked once before the abortionist cut his spinal column. He really wasn’t alive. We have allowed ourselves to become worse than the Nazi’s. It is time for we Christians to rise up and turn back the tide of death in our own nation and then maybe other nations will also follow suit. I must say I was encouraged to hear that many of the Drs and surgeons in Quebec are taking a stand against the euthanasia bill that one of the Quebec MP’s brought forward. It is a start in the right direction!

  8. Steve says:

    This world is not going in a good direction. It is a hard place to be a Christian and getting harder.
    As a Christian I have had a hard time differentiating legalism,lukewarmness,and love.
    When I tried to love it seemed legalistic,when I tried to stop being lukewarm it seemed legalistic. When I tried,it plain and simply seemed legalistic.
    What I do realise now is how much Jesus loves people, all people. How much He loves Church leaders, the congregation and every follower of Christ not to mention those who are lost.
    I have focused on getting every sin out of my life and making lukewarm Christians my enemy, but Christ is telling me and all believers that love is the answer.
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
    I have probably failed in most of these areas but I want to have this kind of love in me. I believe Jesus is asking His Church today to surrender to this love because this world is getting very, very dark and we need to be the light. Let’s expose our darkness so we can be filled with light and this world can see our light shine like stars before all men.

    • Steve says:

      Just something I wanted to add to my last comment.
      When Christians who have darkness in their lives expose that darkness and bring it into the light then Christ can deal with that darkness.
      Something my Pastor really helped me see straight about repentance was that repentance is not working to get rid of sin in a persons life, rather it is the unbelievable gift that Jesus gave us lovingly to have the ability to expose our darkness and run free of it.
      This has alot to do with this topic because if we do not get our lives in line with God’s word then the darkness that is out in the world is going to have a hold on us. That darkness that Christians really hate out in the world is the same darkness that we love in our own lives. How can we say we hate all the evil in the world when we don’t even care about the evil in our own lives.
      A thought to grow on.

  9. Bruno says:

    Very unrelated, but since the discussion is a bit stopped.

    When watching the show through “Watch Online” It does show the Air Date, but these are the day that the video was re-aired. Is there any way to show the “original air date” or just if it’s a re-run or not?

    Even as a re-run, it’s always worth watching, but it would quench the thought of “I’m sure I’ve seen this before… or is it new with old material.”

    • Tim Hamm says:

      We are in the process of developing a new Watch Online section which will make it easier to see what is a repeat, and will also allow you to watch previous episodes.

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  11. Evelyn Bennett says:

    It is getting harder and harder to live in this country and hold our heads up high.

    I am sticking with my morals even though my ability to lead unbelievers to Christ gets harder and harder.

    I find slaughtering women just for their sex appalling. All babies are the same to me. They have a right to live. Abortion is wrong. I find the benefits dilemma for those who are living common law or as a same sex couple wrong as well. It is a total fallacy that people who refuse the true committment through marriage do not have as many problems or challenges through marriage. It is the most difficult when one spouse is a believer and the other is not. When you are given direction by something you cannot see is really hard to relate with those you can see. However the world’s eyeview to relationships is the most distorted. Respect is taken out of the whole equation. Who gets the short end of the stick. The one person that gives birth a woman.

  12. Keith says:

    The first part of the slippery slope was accepting a lie as the truth. It is a baby, not just a clump of cells!

  13. John says:

    Pastor Hughes has brought up 2 slopes. Gender based abortion and the muzzling of those elected to represent us. The Conservatives are not a “Christian” party. Canada is not a theocracy so it should be no surprise that they don’t hold the “Christian” viewpoint. I think that gender based abortion or abortion as a means of contraception is not good. We do need laws but the abortion issue has been so explosive (sometimes literally) that no politician wants to touch it. This is cowardice on the part of the government and I think that the gender based abortion issue is a good place to start. Even secular Canadians could get behind that aspect. I still don’t believe that a woman should be forced to carry her rapists or abusers baby.
    In many of the postings that I see here, I notice that The Christians who visit this blog are under the impression that it’s hard to practise Christianity here. That it is oppressed somehow. Sorry but I just don’t see it. There are lots of people who are different in Canada and they will have different world views than you. There’s nothing stopping Christians from marching in the streets or meeting in large public spaces. It seems that a lot of folks are just upset that they aren’t getting the world the way they want it.
    This is for my own curiosity. What kind of country do the Christians who attend your church want? Assume for a moment that Jesus isn’t coming any time soon (he hasn’t showed up for the last 2thousand years). Past postings on this blog have discussed the situation in Uganda where homosexuals may soon be executed. This law is in the bible. Also missives against women speaking in church. Jesus mentions in one of the gospels that he came to uphold these laws. Turn the other cheek seems to apply only to fellow believers. In fundamental, Christian Canada, those that don’t follow “the rules” would go the same way of the Canaanites or in more modern context, we would be intolerant like Saudi Arabia. There’s a lot wrong with the world but humanity pulled itself back from the brink of nuclear war and cooking the Earth by banning CFC’s. There are many cruel things going on but globally the planet is more at peace than we ever were in biblical times. Strange for a “culture of death”.

    • Evelyn Bennett says:

      You have a weird way with words.

      The Lord has always said life is not going to be easy when it comes to the world.

      If the world had its way. All people including those who have a belief system if they did not serve them we would be in the middle of world war 4

  14. Sally says:

    I would like to point out the there are 25 brave young women marching for Life right now here in Canada.
    These 25 young women who either have suffered the atrocity of abortion or has been affected by abortion in some way or other are part of a movement to raise awareness of what abortion, coerced abortion and actual abortion does to women and to our future generations.
    These women have chosen to walk from Montreal from Morgentalers clinic to parliament in Ottawa to speak up on behalf of all women who have been deceived by this lying deceiving spirit.
    They will speak to MP’s and join in with the March for Life that will take place in Ottawa this coming week. See more of their story at http://www.backtolifecanada.com.
    I am thankful for our Catholic brothers and sisters who have stood diligently for life over the years when a lot of us have just stood silently by and have done nothing.
    In reply to the statement that Jesus said to uphold the laws, I do not think He meant to agree with and make laws that are contrary to God’s laws which include speaking up for those who cannot speak for themselves.
    He hates the shedding of innocence blood see the 6 things God hates in Proverbs and He says to stand up for those who cannot speak for themselves.Proverbs 24:11&12
    I also do not think we are more at peace than biblical times. Everytime you turn on the tv, read a newspaper etc you hear of wars rumours of wars, people being persecuted for their religion, ethinicity or for their land. I would definitely say we are a culture of death. Our Hope is that when we see these things look up for our redemption is nigh!

    • John says:

      I hope that the 25 young women are successful int thei journey. When they get to Ottawa, I hope that our government has the courage to give them a fair hearing. When I made the statement about Jesus saying he came to uphold the laws, I meant the biblical law of the Old Testament. Many Christians hold the bible to be inerrant.
      Leaving aside the abortion debate, I am genuinely curious what kind of country the Christians who attend your church would like to see Canada become. In a previous statement above someone stated “it all begins with a choice and turns into something else.”
      The biblical laws, as written in the bible are very specific in how people conduct themselves. They are also specific about enacting the death penalty for “crimes” such as homosexuality and disobedience in children. Women are seen as essentially unclean beings. The bible is replete with stories of the righteous chosen of God wiping out or enslaving the unbelievers (like the citizens of Jericho), all at the urging of the “loving God”. The Old Testament patriarchs were polygamous with God’s blessing with many wives and concubines. We get a glimpse of what kind of country we would get in Saudi Arabia and Iran, where fundamentalists of another religion with these same roots are in charge and God’s laws are enacted.
      These are the foundations of Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
      Based on the posts above, it seems to me that beneath the veneer of poppy love songs and pictures of a Christ who looks oddly like Barry Gibb on Prozac, there is a fearsome and uncompromising belief system that would turn Canada’s liberal democracy into a rigid theocracy. Since all evil seems to start with a choice then the only way to save the world would be to remove the choice. Please tell me what kind of world would I be living in if God’s laws as written in the “inerrant” bible were in place?

      • Evelyn Bennett says:

        Being a woman I find that a lot of Christian men are not upholding their morale compass so that they can dabble with porn and use illness as an excuse.

  15. Commandments of Christ says:

    Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.The second is this: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these.

    • John says:

      “Do not think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfil. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled” Matthew 5, 17-18
      And let’s take some excerpts from the Law.
      “The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbours wife, the adulterer and adulteress shall surely be put to death.” Lev 20:10
      “If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death” Lev 20:13
      and a woman who gives birth to a boy is unclean for 7 days but if you give birth to girl you get double duty for 14 days. Here we see gender discrimination writ large. It isn’t right and this devaluation of women is the kernel at the heart of gender based abortion.
      This continues into the New Testament.
      “Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak but they are to be submissive, as the LAW also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home for it is shameful for women to speak in church.” 1 Corinthians.
      I hadn’t read the bible in years. I must have missed this in Sunday school. I can really see now that the “love” is a ploy used in the conversion process.
      I am really curious now to know how a Christian Canada would look like. It seems to me that the majority of society has rejected this vision with good reason preventing subjugation by a true culture of death.

  16. Steve says:

    John, the old testament and the new are different in that Jesus died 1nce and 4 all 4 all mens sins.
    Before Christ came they sacrificed animals for the sins of men. Sin causes death. We nailed Jesus to the cross with our sin, everyone of us.
    He came as the perfect sacrifice for all our sins that if we believe in Him we can recieve forgiveness for our sins, but we need to turn from those sins and recieve the Holy Spirit in order to be empowered by God, living a holy life and trusting in a God who loves us.
    Jesus loves you John and He died for your sins. We all need His forgiveness.

  17. Sally says:

    The old testament showed us just how much we needed a Saviour. The law was there to show us our sin. God knew all along that there was no way we could keep the laws. The old testament showed the culture at the time. Jesus came to fulfil the law but also to show us that we needed Him to save us from sin and basically from ourselves as there is no good thing in us. Much grace is given to us now which of course does not give us the license to sin but to live holy lives displaying all the fruits of the spirit to one another and the world. For God so loved the world that He sent His one and only Son to die for us and give us eternal life. He also says in John 10:10 He came to give us life and life abundantly and I am truly thankful for what He did for me! And since He is no respector of persons He will do the same for all who reach out to Him!

  18. John says:

    If the New Testament replaces the old, then why do Christians continue to use the Old Testament in lessons in the church? Even throughout the New Testament writings of Paul and Peter there are statements pertaining to the submission of women among other things.
    So the Old Testament was a mistake? A failed experiment of loving and smiting in alternate measure? Christianity seems to pick and choose whatever suits the message of the moment. God rebranded himself? No more enslavement and genocide? No more multiple wives? What is the difference between polygamy and having concubines and having an ” open marriage” in today’s vernacular? The more you read, the less sense it makes. It all seems to be “make it up as you go along”. Got a point of view, I gotta verse for that. The Koran and other religious writings are no better.
    I think our current form of secular government is right. It seems less religion is needed, not more.

  19. Steve says:

    Hey John,if everyone did what Jesus told us to do like love our neighbours as ourselves and love our God with all our hearts,there would be no murder or theft or hate or unforgiveness or any other kind of evil happening.
    The problem is we are all born into a world of sin. Jesus came to be that perfect sacrifice for all our sins. Grace for us. We do not deserve that grace but God loved us so much that He sent Jesus to die for all our sins.
    If we as Christians actually took what God tells us to do seriously then there would probably be less people like you who only see religion when you look at us.
    When I say repent,I am talking to myself and all my Christian brothers and sisters. We really need to act out the love that Christ has given us. Not only that, we need to stop making excuses for all our bad behavior.
    There is no perfect Christian but we are able to grow in love for others until the day we get to heaven.
    I don’t think I can convince you John that Christianity is more than a religion but I know that if you ask God to reveal Himself to you, He will do it and you will know that there is a God Who loves you deeply.

  20. Steve says:

    You know, today is not a day for Christians to be using the atoning blood of Christ as an excuse to continue in their own ways.
    Today is a day for Christians to take a good look at themselves and measure themselves with the word of God, not other Christians.
    If we start to do this as God’s holy Church then what do you all think would happen? You know a revival would break out when God’s people humble themselves and turn from their own ways, allowing Christ to transform them and the Holy Spirit to work in power in their lives!

  21. Steve says:

    And I would like to add that we serve a merciful, mighty God Who loves all His children.
    When we turn away from our sins and come to Him with all our hearts, Jesus our King is merciful and will wipe away all of our sins.
    Jesus is planning a revival of His people this day.
    Jesus wants to pour out His Spirit onto His people like never before. Are we going to answer His call?

  22. Sally says:

    Some will Steve, but unfortunately, many will want to remain as they are and not have to change. Some will fall away as the Word says in the last days.

    I think a lot of people think of God as “santa claus” and will only serve Him when they can get something from Him and if they don’t get what they want from Him or if things don’t turn out they way they thought they should, they are “disappointed” in God and think that He doesn’t really exist or they blame Him for all the wrongs in the world. They only want His goodness but not His justice.

    God wants us to be totally committed to Him no matter what comes our way. God encourages us to be strong and be the overcomers as Revelation 2-3 calls us to be.
    As we see in the media nowadays,it is open season on Christians and it will be only those who “know who their God is” that will endure to the end! My prayer is that we will all be found faithful!
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    • John says:

      Sorry but there is no open season on Christians. Thousands of Christians are preparing to meet at the new stadium. Christians have their freedom to celebrate and worship as they please. Is this true all over the world? No. But where freedom is curtailed, it is not just Christians who are suffering. However, here in Canada (and the US) freedom of religion is pretty much a done deal. However I think that Christians are having to get used to the fact that many in society are secular and on the whole more tolerant. There is also an increase in the population of other religions as well. The recent upset surrounding the anti-bullying bill has come to nothing (and fundamentalist Jews and Muslims also spoke out against it to a lesser degree). All over gay rights – which supposedly Christians don’t care about because it’s “old testament” law which is now supposed to be invalid except when we want it to be valid to make some point or other ( but Christians don’t advocate executing Gays even though the bible tells them to, but then a great many Christians like to eat pork which apparently God told Paul it was ok but forgot to tell Jesus who still told us not to change any jots or tittles of the law). I’m not even going to touch Revelation. That guy was on acid or something.

      • Steve says:

        I can say this, that as a Christian my God won’t allow me to get away with being mean or nasty or hurtful to anybody regardless of who they are or what they do in life.
        When I am not being loving or kind, I lose God’s presence. But when I turn the other cheek and be kind to people that you would think God can’t stand, He actually fills me up with peace and joy.
        I know this, Jesus loves every person on the face of the earth and He wants every one of them to be with Him in paradise one day.

      • Evelyn Bennett says:

        Are you actually a Christian? I just see you quoting the bible. Are these words applying to your life personally?

  23. Steve says:

    Amen Sally.
    The Lord showed me a picture a while back. I saw a horizon and Mercy was rising like the sun and I felt the Lord say that Mercy will light the path of His people when everything goes dark.
    I know I need to surrender to that mercy that can only come from our King.
    God bless.

  24. Truth says:

    I hear what your saying John and you make a lot of valid points. Problem is, you’re lumping Christianity religion with the the Word of God. Something current christians don’t seem to understand. The Word of God is Yeshua the son YHWH. The Bible is God’s written Word, Yeshua is the Living Word of God. It states this very clearly in the beginning.

    The point of the ten commandments, and then Yeshua adding to them was to show believers That we could NEVER earn our way to Heaven and that ALL OF US will be sinners till we die. Nothing more, nothing less. It was intended to keep true believers in line with their thinking.

    Religious people don’t seem to get it. They think because they recite some prayer and show up to church on Sundays, it gives them the right to point out everyone else’s flaws. Followers of Christ know better then to think they should say how the world should be run. Followers of Christ know, We are not of this world.
    Followers of Christ know they are sinners and always will be till the day they die. If you’re human, you’re sin.
    But faithful followers of Christ who do his will, who are led by the Holy Spirit and not by satans counterfeit, “the spirit of religion” are comforted by God’s grace to keep striving for truth and don’t spend their time supporting religious doctrine and rules and taking marching orders from the pulpit of man. Those people who spend their time preaching “gays are to blame” “christians are being attacked” are not doing God’s will but their own based on bad doctrine and ideas.

    You’re totally right John, there’s no open season on christians.
    I pray the Truth come to you John cause we could use a good speaker like you. To defend the Truth of God through the Holy Spirit.
    God bless you John and may he pour his grace onto you. Don’t be afraid, He’s your Father and loves you very much

  25. Steve says:

    Mr truth or half truth is more like it, the Bible is clear we are all sinners and we will be sinners till the day we die. But the Bible also says we are to fight against sin by the power of the Holy Spirit.
    There are so many places in the new testament that tell us we need to walk in a way that is pleasing to Christ. Now is walking around folowing our own flesh and acting like we are covered by the blood of Christ what the Bible tells us to do?
    The Bible is clear that there is no sacrifice left for those who continuously walk in blatant sin. It says they are nailing Christ back onto the cross.
    Jesus came to set us free and that doesn’t mean He just died so we could continuously sin in a carefree manner. It means He came and died for us so we could recieve His grace, no longer being condemned but able to turn away from our sins by the power of His grace and by the power of the Holy Spirit, covered by His blood.
    Does that mean we will never mess up in any way, no. But it does mean that God expects His children to continuously turn to Him and away from anything that would take His place as #1.

  26. Truth says:

    Yeshua COMMANDS us to follow him Steve. Not the Bible but Him. He will lead us in all truth. The Bible is useful but Yeshua did not command us to follow the Bible. The first disciples had no Bibles. The Holy Spirit led them Just as Yeshua promised.

    Are you a follower of Yeshua or do you follow the Bible Steve. Do you know Yeshua Steve? Does he talk to you? Does he reveal things to you in your dreams?

    There are no “churches”, “groups” or “clubs” going to heaven Steve, only individuals.

    Weird thing is, i kinda agree with your comment and don’t quite understand how it pertains to my prior post.

    God bless

  27. Steve says:

    You know what, Jesus loves churches, all of them. He loves all the people in all the churches and He loves all the Pastors.
    I don’t agree with all of them but I know that it is not division that will bring people to Christ but love for each other.
    Jesus loves His church and do not tell me we don’t need the Bible. I’d suggest you go and read yours right now. Seriously, you need to get back to your Bible because the word is going to keep you in line. We all need correction.

  28. Truth says:

    The church you speak of is of the world Steve. It’s a man made organization run by men. Yesua’s church is led by Yeshua. The Holy Spirit leads Yeshua’s church. The spirit of religion run’s man’s church. The spirit of religion runs man’s church. The spirit of religion is satans counterfeit to deceive man. Yeshua is the way, the truth and the light. Not the Bible.
    I suggest you go read your Bible on your own and pray to Yeshua that he reveals you His truth’s. don’t ever take some man’s word for it.
    Are you sticking up for God, or you sticking for your church?

  29. John says:

    I have no doubt of what believers feel about Christianity. Prayer can be a powerful meditation tool and combined with positive reinforcement from a group of like minded individuals then there is a ” feel good” vibe.
    It has been asserted in the above posts that the New Testament supplanted the old yet in reading the statement of faith for Church of the Rock (and others) I notice that Leviticus 18 is quoted extensively as a justification of the moral code. But not all of it. The church doesn’t seem to endorse the stringent dietary laws or making women “unclean” during their cycle or after birth. For example, the Church states marriage is between one man and one woman then uses verses from Genesis, Matthew and Hebrews as justification. Yet none of those verses actually defines marriage as one man and one woman. In fact a further reading of Matthew has Jesus mentioning “wives” in plural when talking about divorce. There is nothing actually dictating monogamy except ou cultural norm. But keep in mind this is for guys only. Women would be castigated to take more than one husband. According to the church’s doctrinal statement, the bible is infallible.
    So we can see that the church (and this is not the only one) considers the Old Testament relevant.
    I have no doubt that Christians feel the love in their own group and want to share that with the wider world. The basis of this belief are a series of Bronze Age documents. Christians can tell the public that its all about love and tolerance but when the bible is “infallible” and “inerrant” then the documentation clearly is contrary. The bible pretty much refutes liberal democracy. The goal of Christianity is to convert. Religion is a bit like a caged lion. As long as the majority of society can keep it in check, it can be a force for good ( hospitals, food banks, etc.) but if it ever gains control of the state apparatus then we wind up with Iran, or Saudi Arabia or the Catholic Inquisition or Uganda.
    Since the Christians that I know do not endorse capital punshment for moral crimes then I can only assume that many Christians do not read the bible. They are guided by their leaders to the “nice” affirming bits. Which is really scary because the leaders obviously know better. It’s a small jump to dictating moral law in Leviticus 18 and executing the punishments in Leviticus 20.

    • Evelyn Bennett says:

      none of the information you are sharing is by personal experience. What gives? This is blog to share eyeviews yes. Not to condemn those who are not practicing their faith. I think this is the route you are taking with your dialogue.

  30. Mark Hughes says:

    John
    You have become well versed in the classical polemics arguing the inconsistencies of the christian faith. Specifically, that Christians just pick and choose what suits them for the old and new testament. The relationship between the two testaments unfortunately is very complicated and cannot be explained (or explained away) in a few short sentences. Galatians 3 is a very good study to try to understand how it all works. It makes it very clear that the Law is not a flawed document that was a mistake, but a comprehensive standard of God’s righteousness. And then goes on to say that it is impossible for any human to keep the law, and therefore, it becomes damning. Christ through the work of the cross liberates one from the consequences of breaking God’s law and then gives us another law; To ‘love God and to love our neighbour’. He says that in doing so we will fulfill the ‘spirit’ of the law and not the ‘letter’ of it. However, the reason the New Testament writers continue to mention the Old testament law is for a point of reference. Loving our neighbour cannot just become a subjective exercise where we pick and choose as you say. God has not altered what is essentially either right and wrong.
    The easiest way to understand it is that we are no longer bound by the ceremonial and civic laws of the Old Testament (dietary things, bathing, dress, hair length etc), but ‘loving God and our neighbour’ would still include being being bound by the moral laws. Therefore there is no wiggle room on things like murder, theft or adultery. To ensure that understanding, the new Testament writers still mention them as prohibitions… as they do with the controversial subject of homosexuality. As a result, it is not inappropriate for the New Testament writers to reference the Old Testament prohibitions on these things as a point of consistency with such statements like “even the Law says”.
    John, I don’t expect to convince you. I suspect you have an ax to grind with Christians and are out for a troll. I would love to go fishing with you but have more pressing matters and will not be responding back and forth. Keep searching though. Seek and you will find.

    • Steve says:

      Pastor Mark, you know you really are a smart guy. A pretty talented person and a great speaker.
      I just want to throw something your way. Sanctification. This is something I believe the Church as a whole really needs to get down today. Sanctification is a process for life as you know. A constant growing in the Lord and a trust in His word even when it doesn’t seem to fit our own agenda. Mine or anyone elses for that matter.
      I know you want to see the Holy Spirit move powerfully in your church and I would love to see that happen as well.
      Jesus wants us to continue growing even when we don’t want to budge. He talked about the seed that fell among thorns that grew up but then stopped growing. It didn’t shrink back to nothing but it simply was satisfied to stay at that point and go no further.
      If we as Christians are truly being sanctified daily, we are going to see a powerful movement of the Holy Spirit in this city like we’ve never seen before, but we need leaders who are going to preach sanctification and help us grow in our walk as Christians.
      Christian leaders are God’s shepherds and it is their duty to feed the sheep with morsels of untainted truth. Truth that changes our lives and transforms us more everyday into the likeness of Jesus Christ.
      I know you are a Pastor who wants to help God’s flock walk in a continuous upward motion higher and higher and that’s why I am throwing this tidbit your way.
      God bless you Pastor Mark.

    • Evelyn Bennett says:

      thank you for the impasse. As I continued to read what John had to say, my heart just dropped. And the tears did follow.

  31. Jeff says:

    Hey John…I feel your pain! A lot of stuff doesn’t make sense to me…but I do believe there are answers. There are a couple of resources I would suggest to you…the first one is short & simple…it’s called “Dinner With A Perfect Stranger” by David Gregory. It is completely fictional but will make you reconsider some of your thoughts. The second is “The Case For Christ” by Lee Strobel. It is written as a “CSI” type investigation of Jesus. (Strobel was actually an atheist when he began research for this book). The third is one I turn to often…”The Big Book of Bible Difficulties” by Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe. These guys cover virtually every inconsistency or contradiction you think exists in the Bible. Hope you’ll take the time to check them out. My only other advice is…please don’t judge God/Jesus/The Bible by the words or actions of human beings that profess to be “followers”. God didn’t create any of us to be religious minion robots…rather, we were created to develop a personal relationship with Him, just as children do with their parents today.

    I have been following this thread of postings for a couple weeks now and would just like to quietly make a couple of points in response to some of the other entries…it seems to me that we (Christians) expect EVERYONE to follow OUR rules. But, when we do that, it’s like making a hockey team play a game according to baseball rules. It will never work because hockey players only know hockey rules! Until they join a baseball team, they could care less about baseball rules! (And probably even make fun of baseball players!) It is our job (commandment) to get the hockey players to want to join our baseball team. But…condemning their hockey rules every chance we get and speaking baseball language that they don’t understand (or even think is just plain weird) is not going to woo any new players to our team. Love is patient, love is kind…I don’t remember ever reading about Jesus condemning any hockey players…just some of higher-up’s on the baseball team.

    Hope this metaphor makes sense…

    • John says:

      Thanks to Pastor Hughes, Steve, Truth, Jeff and Sally for responding and engaging my questions. You’ve been gracious hosts and the fact that everything was posted as written shows that at least this blog is a place where folks can really speak their mind. I will definitely check out the books that Jeff suggested (your sports analogy made good sense to me).
      It may never “make sense” for me but one Christian I posed a lot of these same questions stated “I know what is right and what I believe” and that may be ultimately what it all comes down to.
      Before I go, I would like to say that my curiosity is genuine. The best analogy I put forward is the ads for medicine on tv. The drug claims all sorts of wonderful things but there’s always the side effects in the fine print. In engaging the wider society, you’ll be challenged on the fine print. And no Pastor Hughes, I did not expect it to go back and forth forever. Asking questions and challenging ideas, especially ideas calling for death on the basis of moral crime does not equal having an axe to grind. When a thousand plus Christians come out against bullying legislation because of the inclusion of sexual orientation, it is concerning to me. Best regards.

  32. RandomBlogger says:

    Very interesting blog post and I definitely have much to say.

    Your first comments about slippery slope about legalizing drugs. There have been a large amount of arguments for and not for this. Also there is a large conspiracy around why marijuana was illegal in the first place but i’ll leave that for the readers to read about if interested. I think one of the best arguments i have read/heard about is if marijuana is illegal why isn’t alcohol? Or caffeine? Or cigarettes? or genetically modified food? All are just as addictive (aside from the last one) if not very harmful to our bodies. Drugs and alcohol isn’t a huge problem in Canada as it is in the states and we saw what happened when they made alcohol illegal. For us to say that people will start doing harder drugs if the small ones are legalized i think is a quick response to an action that we have no idea how it will play out. In some places around the world small amounts of marijuana are legal and have had good outcomes. I’m not advocating to do drugs but as humans we learn from examples especially of those of others and we should see how legalizing and not legalizing drugs has made an impact to the people, economy, and the country in general.

    The second thing you talked about, abortion, is one topic i have tried to keep up to date, trying to read all points of view. As earlier, there have been many arguments about why abortion should be allowed and how it is murderous. The biggest question we all ask is at what point is a fetus considered a living being. Those who are opposed to abortion say at the time on conception hence why it is pretty much murder. I agree there should be a point where abortion should not be allowed due to the women being far along her pregnancy. I agree that all pregnancies are a blessing, but we should really look at statistics to see why most pregnancies are being performed. Be it rape, incest, unwanted, e.t.c.. The first two are the ones that are most argued why abortion should be legalized while the last is kind of up in the air, it touches the topic of pre-martial intercourse. You also talked about Harper’s government not touching this topic. I personally believe politics is less about what they think is right and more about getting votes, thats the sad reality of politics. As a democracy the people decide who should lead and the leaders decide what’s right and whats wrong. If more than 50%+ of the population believe something is wrong/right and the other amount believe the opposite, what should be law? I don’t know what the stats is on what canadians feel about abortion but i would be interested to see what they feel about it.

    Finally, the topic of female genocide. I have many close friends who are from the eastern world and as much as i hate what is going on i we need to try to understand what the parents are confronted with when they have a girl. There are many reasons for their actions but one of the reasons for killing female fetuses is the fear of her being raped and having to deal with her child out of wedlock. Most of the people who kill off the female fetus or abandon her are poor people who can barley afford to feed the family they have. When their daughter is raped and is pregnant they are pretty much faced with a tough problem. It brings up the topic of abortion again. Again i’m not saying its right what they are doing, quite the contrary, i think its completely disgusting and wrong. I’ve in fact had many arguments with groups of people (mostly men) who rather have sons than daughters. I’m just saying that we should really dig deep into why they even begin to think of doing such things and it isn’t as simple as telling them to stop. Its embedded into their culture, religion, and current financial state.

    I’m probably going to get a lot of negative comments but i do like to read your blog for your points of views and figure i would comment on one which i really find interesting.

    -random blogger

  33. Steve says:

    This has nothing to do with this topic but I get words from God every now and then and would like to edify the Church with God’s words of love for His Church.
    I asked the Lord a while back if He had anything to speak to me. I got Acts chapter 29. So I went to look it up and Acts only goes up to chapter 28. I thought well, I guess I wasn’t really hearing from God on that one.
    All of a sudden I felt the Holy Spirit and sensed that God was saying He isn’t done pouring out His Spirit on His church like He did in the book of Acts.
    Maybe, just maybe there’s another chapter going to unfold for us and we will see God’s power on His people like we haven’t seen in a long time.
    Jesus loves His Church! Jesus loves Winnipeg!
    And I feel from the Lord right now that He wants every Pastor in Winnipeg to know how much He loves them and cares about them.

  34. Stephen says:

    Maybe you didn’t hear the 5 before 29 Steve. Keep your eyes on Jesus Steve. Don’t concern yourself with anything else. We are only responsible for ourselves come judgement day. God bless

  35. Steve says:

    I’ll concern myself with what God speaks to me. If you don’t like it that’s ok with me. God bless Stephen.

  36. Stephen says:

    Well said Steve and thanks for the blessing.
    God bless you brother

  37. Steve says:

    That’s what loving Christ is all about bro.

  38. Jeff says:

    Google “Acts 29″…it’s been around for awhile now…ever heard of Mark Driscoll?

  39. Steve says:

    I never heard of it before. I never even thought of it or even understood what God was saying till I felt the Holy Spirit.
    I guess it’s a real testimony confirmed by more than one. Crazy!

  40. Steve says:

    Let me add this, the Acts Church was a Church that was filled with truth and the Holy Spirit. There was no compromise going on there as we could see with what happened to Ananias ans Saphira.
    Obviously we are a long way from there but we need to get back to where Christ layed the foundation of Christianity.
    Does that mean we have some things to repent of? I am guessing yes. All of us.

  41. Stephen says:

    Those who are blessed with indwelling of the Holy spirit ARE the church. Those who believe they are covered by grace are deceived and become luke warm and stop seeking. We are ALL to repent and sin no more. We are to point the lost to Jesus and He will teach the lost. Fear of the God is the begining of our journey. We are to be led by devine navigation, wisdom comes from divine instruction then if we’re blessed we will have God’s favor. All these things came to me in a dream. Pay attention to your dreams. God communicates to us in our dreams. The Bible has countless examples of this. It is time to wake up and pick up our cross brothers and sisters. Never forget to test all spirits and pray to Jesus to reveal to you what you want to know. He will reveal all to those who are persistant. Jesus is the Living God in the most literal sense. Obey Him and follow Him. God bless

  42. Steve says:

    You can’t base your whole doctrine on dreams Stephen. God gives dreams but they are going to line up with the Bible. Jesus would never tell anyone to stop reading the Bible.
    I’m sure you are a good guy who wants to do what God asks but we all need correction, every single one of us.
    We are all sinners but if we are led by the Spirit we are not going to follow after our flesh but after the Spirit.
    Also, Jesus cares about all Churches and as we can see throughout the whole Bible that God is a God of mercy Who is ready and willing to forgive everyone for any kind of rebellion against Him when we turn to Him. If we do not recieve correction from the word of God then we are living in rebellion against God.
    It`s a good thing there is a merciful God Who loves us and is there to pour out mercy on us for our own ignorance and stiffnecked attitudes when we let go of our control and let God be the One in charge.

  43. Stephen says:

    This is the last time i will remind you, THE WORD OF GOD IS JESUS Steve. Think about this Steve, when you’re standing in front of Jesus on judgement day, and if he tells you to depart fr him, he never knew you, do you believe scripture will over ride his decision? If you do, you’re sadly mistaken. Think long and hard on this Steve. You need to begin to fear God and quit with the “everyonne is going to heaven shctic” You seem to know the Bible but have skipped over the parts you don’t like. God’s wrath is real, the gate is narrow and people who cry Lord Lord havn’t i done things in your name, are NOT atheists Steve. May Jesus bless you.

  44. Jeff says:

    “Take me out to the ball game…”

  45. Stephen says:

    The Word of God is no game Jeff. I suggest you quit wasting your money on wordly books written for profit. The Word of God is not for sale. Quit pointing people to worldly knowledge, this is the work of satan. Your only testimony should be to Jesus. I personally am hardly impresses with your worldly analogy. Repent and sin no more Jesus tells us. There are only one set of rules, they are Jesus and not open to interpretation by mere man who run the worldly churches nor do we decide what the rules are. I suggest you consider the possibility you may be going to hell, i keep this in mind to make sure i realise the fear of God. The fear of God is the beginning of the journey. This is serious Jeff, it’s the difference between Life and death. May Jesus bless you with the spirit of Truth.

  46. Steve says:

    You know what I like, I like the story I heard today on chvn about this man Nelson from India.
    He quoted Isaiah 58 which is God’s real heart for His church.
    A man who helps the poor and the afflicted and loves the downtrodden. I felt the Holy Spirit when Nelson was speaking. God bless him and AngelHouse.
    Support this guy’s ministry. Jesus loves the poor and the downtrodden. Jesus breaks oppression and sets people free and looses the bonds of wickedness. Jesus is a kind Healer and merciful King! Let’s praise His holy name! He is too Holy for us to be mocking each other and hurting one another.

  47. Stephen says:

    Did you even read Isaiah58? It’s talking about religious hypocrites. Or did you or this other tv guy mix up verses?

  48. Jeff says:

    Good grief Stephen!

    I want to write a long reply about behaving like a Pharisee, legalism vs grace, judgement, heaven, hell, salvation, sanctification, eternal life and how, in general, to properly communicate with others without coming across as a self-righteous, indignant, disrespectful, know-it-all.

    But, that would take too long and quite frankly would probably fall on deaf ears. Intelligent conversation is becoming impossible when people like you use the reply area of this and other forums to toot your own horn and take shots at others. There was only one John the Baptist…and you aren’t him! And, by the way, I think you owe Steve an apology for reply #48! Read all of Isaiah 58 and you might actually see that it does indeed tie in with what Steve was talking about from the news story!

    Forgive everyone all the time (thank you Pastor Mark!) God bless you on whatever road you travel Stephen. May the fruits of the Holy Spirit manifest in you so that a positive impact can be made for Jesus.

    I love reading this blog and being challenged at times by Pastor Mark, but from now on, the scrolling down will stop before the comments section appears. No wonder people like John feel the way they do.

    • Steve says:

      You’re right Jeff, I could’ve said many things in a better way. Thanks for the character upgrade and I’m serious about that. God bless you and everyone else.

  49. Stephen says:

    Go ahead Jeff, you just keep on tickling ears. I’m sure your faith in pastors will deliver you. I spoke the Words of Jesus. It wasn’t just John the baptist who spoke these words. Myself Jeff, i am nothing, un educated with no formal training and a poor sap with no ambition to get ahead in the world. But what i do have is hope in Yeshua who has delivered me from evil with no help from man or works that i’ve done. You accuse me of having deaf ears and you probably think i have scales over my eyes as-well. You don’t want the truth Jeff, you just want to think you’re better then everyonne else and that’s why you fit right in to the church of man. It is you Jeff who is acting like the pharisee, i’m just quoting Jesus. Have fun playing church Jeff.

  50. Steve says:

    The Lord showed me something about the scripture where He told the prostitute to go and sin no more.
    Jesus was not giving a command, rather He was giving her the power through the unbelievable love and grace that He was pouring out upon her.
    I know I cannot ever become sinless but I know that the more I understand God’s love for me, the more I am empowered in my life against sin.
    If we love each other like Jesus loves us and forgive each other then Christ is going to open up the floodgates on all His people.
    Sorry if I sound pumped about this but I just can’t help it. God loves us all so much!

  51. Stephen says:

    I agree that God loves everyonne of us. The question for us is, given our free will, will we love him? If we truly love Jesus then we will do what He commands us to do. And i also agree that we can not follow His commandments without The Holy spirit which is His love and grace.
    May Jesus bless you and all those who truly seek Him..

  52. Steve says:

    You know what you need Stephen, a truckload of grace. Just like me and everyone else. If we offer grace instead of condemning each other maybe we would all start seeing straight.
    Not alot of grace being dished out these days. Love covers over a multitude of sins and I feel His love right now for you Stephen.

  53. Stephen says:

    I feel Yeshua’s Love. He loved me enough to convict me of my addictions to pornography, pot and tv in the month of February. I prayed for releif from pornography for a long time but never thought much of the pot and tv. I can testify that in a matter of days i was relieved of all 3 addictions and so can my wife. I am not ashed to admit these things cause i have been called out to testify of what Yeshua has done for me. This is why i’m here Steve, just trying to point people to the realities Yeshua.
    All the books and sermons in the world could not of relieved me of these things. Only Yeshua through the power of His Holy Spirit could do it. He is the Way, Truth and the Light. Much like the Bible tells, i find myself being attacked every day for professing His Truth. Hehe. But i don’t care what any man thinks. I have got my eyes on Yeshua and all that matters is what He thinks.
    Blessings

  54. Steve says:

    I think we just entered into some intelligent conversation Stephen. Jesus is our glory and He wants to deliver all of His people like He delivered you. God bless you.
    I know that there’s a lot of people trying to label anyone who says we have a Redeemer Who actually delivers people from addictions as hypocritical Pharisees. That is blasphemy in my books because we have a King Who is able to deliver His people from anything. Yes He says seek and we will find and that we can move mountains with the faith of a mustard seed. What a great God Who gives us such hope.

  55. Stephen says:

    Agreed Steve. With that i’m out of here and wish you many blessings on your journey.

  56. no name says:

    Abortion is indeed against God’s principles. However, the issue is not the law (or the absence of such) itself, but the society’s attitudes towards human life and women in particular. If abortion is outlawed the only thing it will do is put women’s lives at risk because those same women who get abortions now will still be getting them in the “back yard allies” performed with dirty instruments. It will be an underground business.

    The issue that needs to be addressed is WHY are women (or their husbands, boyfriends, babydadies, etc.) are choosing to abort babies?

    Women are not valued in our society at par with men. I have two daughters and i get comments from random people all the time “aren’t you going to try for a boy?”, “oah, just two girls, that’s it?”, “is your husband disappointed?” and these comments come not only form my Chinese colleagues but from Canadian Christian people—some of them right here at Church of the Rock. So go figure where is the real problem. Outlawing abortion would just be a “band aid solution” to a much deeper issue which is much harder to address. May be as Christians we should be the change we want to see in the world. That would be a good start, don’t you think?

  57. Evelyn Bennett says:

    Maybe some of us should focus on modern times and to see what scripture applies today. There are alot of issues to get on board with. Let us elimate pornography entirely. Someone who is very sick thought child pornography would not harm anyone. He messed with the next generation. That is what the church is focusing on right now.

  58. Steve says:

    What I have found out is there is no way to defeat legalism. You only become a legalist yourself the more you fight it.
    Our hope lies in Jesus Christ and His empowerment in our lives. Jesus gives His people the power to move into the light and out of the darkness. Jesus is the light in this dark world, there is no way to figure out how to defeat darkness, there is only Jesus and His power over the darkness.
    Anything else is a waste of time.

  59. Steve says:

    So if you want to eliminate pornography then the Church needs to get back to Jesus Christ because the statistics say that just as many Christian men look at pornography as nonChristian men.
    Something is obviously very wrong with that picture.

  60. Stephen says:

    Well said Steve. Those who Truly follow Jesus are in the world but not of it. We are not called to change the world but to follow Jesus. Mathew 10-34 clearly states that Jesus didn’t come to bring peace to the world.
    People need to learn that the body of Christ is spiritual and is NOT academic. Our heavenly Father and Saviour are spirit. We need to die of the flesh and let our God given spirit lead us.
    Maybe if people were taught that all that pornography and all our sins rob us of our spiritual and feeds satan, people would think twice before they gossip, hate, envy, greedy, lust.
    God gives us all this energy, satan has been cut off from God. satan needs to STEAL our spiritual energy to survive. Without our sins and negativity, satan would be defeated. Without Jesus Truly in our lives, guiding and teaching us, giving us strength, we’re all lost.

  61. Steve says:

    You know what I think satan likes to do to people the most. he likes to tell people all the things they need to do in order to be loved by God when the fact is it is the love of God that enables God’s people to do what God asks them to do.
    Jesus first loved us. We are not able to muster up the strength without knowing the truth of Who Jesus is and how much He loves each one of us, His acceptance of us while we were still sinners and never forget that we are redeemed.
    I believe there is no moral standard or Christianese level of acceptance that God is pleased with, it is only Jesus that God sees when He looks at us, and without Jesus we are unable to be pleasing to God at all.

  62. Concerned says:

    Slippery slope indeed. And Jesus said, “I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” (Matthew 19:9). Pastor Mark, time to add this to our protest. This government IS far too loose to not heed our Christian values. This is as sinful as homosexuality, especially since these words were uttered by Jesus Himself, and Adultery is one of God’s 10 Commandments as being a sin! Please ensure this message is spread even LOUDER than the homosexual enlightening!!!!!!

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