America has new television trend of importing arrogant, mean spirited Brits with deceptively friendly English accents to host some of their favourite shows.  Simon Cowl (American Idol, X Factor) comes to mind, as does the foul mouthed Gordon Ramsay (Hell’s Kitchen, Kitchen Nightmares) and the hectoring and unlikable Piers Morgan (America’s Got Talent, Piers Morgan Tonight).  Apparently you can say whatever you want on television as long as you say it with a appealing foreign accent.  Tell me that the talking gecko doesn’t make you want to switch to Geico?

On Christmas day I tuned in to Piers Morgan figuring he would be interviewing a religious figure in honor of the day.  I was not disappointed (well actually I was and I’ll tell you why in a moment) as mega-pastor Joel Osteen was his guest.  Larry King used to try to get Billy Graham at Christmas.  Mr. Graham is now in his 90’s and is not in the best of health (he suffers from hydrocephalus not Parkinson’s) and so he is no longer giving interviews.  It is the right choice to make since during his last few appearances, although he did an amazing job for a man of that age, he did struggle not to get confused.  Billy Graham has an excuse if he has water on the brain and his answers get a little foggy, Joel Osteen does not.

Osteen is the pastor of the Lakewood Church in Houston Texas, the biggest church in North America with 43,000 in attendance on Sunday mornings.  He has written (or at least someone has) three books that have sold millions of copies and have made him a multi-millionaire.  He lives in a $10.5M gated mansion.  He has a weekly television audience of over 10 million people.  He will travel to American cities and fill baseball stadiums with 50,000 fans that will pay as much as $100 to hear him speak.  Hmmm… maybe I’m working too cheap, our events are free and we get 49,000 or so less people.

Piers Morgan must lick his chops every time Osteen agrees to come on the show.  Pastor Joel is no match for Morgan’s intellect and Piers completely schools him.  Honestly, Osteen does such a poor job it is embarrassing.  Being the celebrity pastor he is, he has become the poster boy for the evangelical church in America.  He comes on these shows and while he smiles and looks charming he cannot answer the simplest theological question.  He hums and haws and says “I don’t know Piers” over and over again claiming there are a lot smarter people than him that could answer the questions better.  Well, there is no doubt about that, but if you cannot articulate the Christian position then stay home and let those ‘smarter people’ go on air.

While questioning him about Mormon presidential candidate Mitt Romney, Piers asked Joel if he agreed with the Mormon faith.  Osteen said there were things he did not agree with but when pressed he could not name one reason why.  He claimed he was not studied up on it. Morgan didn’t believe him and accused him of being coy.  I genuinely think Osteen did not know.  He was completely dumbfounded and had that deer in the headlights look all over his face.  On the issue of capital punishment he again said he ‘didn’t know’ and would leave it to the ‘smarter’ politicians to answer that question.  Morgan pressing him insisted he must at least have an opinion as a pastor in the number one capital punishment state in the US.   He would not say.  Have a look for yourself.  It is humiliating and distressing to watch.

On the topic of gay marriage Osteen managed to admit that he did not believe in it, but when asked he said that he would attend a gay wedding of a friend or family member out of ‘respect’ for that person.  One commentator compared that to a christian attending a a friend’s first pole dance out of respect for the relationship.  You really cannot have it both ways.  We have got to make moral choices based on our biblical beliefs.  For Osteen it was a hypothetical question since I am quite sure he does not have any gay friends like he claims. I have been faced with the real decision as we have a gay marriage in our family.  As painful as it was, we declined the invitation with the explanation that it was with regret that we could not attend as doing so would undermine our biblical convictions.   We tried hard to express our love and acceptance for the individuals even though we could not support the marriage itself.  It was one of the most difficult things we have had to face and it was sticky to say the least.  At the end of the day we have managed maintain a good relationship.

When Osteen cannot give an adequate answer he will often disingenuously defend himself by saying he has no theological training.  That is like a surgeon who botches an operation saying it really wasn’the fault because he never actually went to medical school.  I don’t think it really matters how big a church becomes, the leader cannot claim to be a Pastor if he has no training to do so.  “OK Mr Jealous Wannabe, how then DO you explain his phenomenal success?” The Apostle Paul put it this way, For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers. (1 Tim 4:3)

I completely understand why the masses would flock to a place to hear that they can have the American dream of health, wealth and success. without sacrifice, responsibility or hardship.  And to be honest I actually don’t even care that Joel Osteen does what he does. I just wish he wouldn’t pretend it is Christianity and that he wouldn’t call himself a Pastor.  I would be way happier if he just would tell people he is a  motivational speaker like Tony Robbins or Zig Ziglar.  Then when he does TV interviews he honestly can say, “I don’t know, I’m just a motivational speaker.”   I could live with that.  In the meantime he is making a farce out of our faith and I am more than a little distressed about it… I am embarrassed.  Maybe I should post an ad on Graigslist;  Help wanted! New Poster Boy needed.

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  1. Jeff says:

    We were just talking about TV preachers over the Christmas holidays…and guess who came up in the conversation? I have only watched a few minutes of him on Utube, but decided quickly he wasn’t for me. He definately has a “positive” message, but not a “real” one.

    As ususal, Pastor Mark’s blog twigged interest and I did some surfing and found this video from 60 MINUTES from June 8, 2008. Take note of a few things… at :52 the interviewer states, “…no crosses, no religous symbols whatsoever.” At 6:38 the interviewer says about Osteen’s book, “…not one mention of God, not one mention of Jesus Christ.” At 7:32, “…cotton candy gospel.” At 7:43, “…God is nice, you are nice, be nice.”

    To somewhat answer the rhetorical question, “How do you explain his phenominal success?” The answer is from the interviewer, “Not one mention of Jesus Christ.” Jesus is the offender…because the only reason we needed him is to save us from our sins. If we don’t talk about Jesus…we don’t need to admit our sin and we are NICE and GOOD people. And God loves EVERYONE and would never let anyone go to hell! Right???

    False teaching surrounds us IN CHURCH. Don’t stop at Osteen…what about the JW’s, Catholics, Lutherans, United? Let’s start looking everywhere at non-biblical teaching.

    • Tj Freezn says:

      All of us should be held accountable about what we officially and/or unofficially teach.

      In fact, God informs us to trust no one and nothing, except Him, although He implies that this includes Him at times speaking through humans and/or any other creation, so during those times we are to trust Him.

    • Jed says:

      Even the church of the Rock is guilty of some false preaching, so check them all out make sure it lines up with the teachings of He is the check everything He says in the Bible, in the New Covenant, and if preaching is contrary to it, then question it, and pray about it..remember Jesus said..the truth will set you free!

  2. Steve says:

    Amen to that.
    I like and respect what Franklin Graham said when he was asked about Rob Bell who has been touted as the next Billy Graham.
    He said he was a heretic and a false teacher. Much respect. (:

    • Steve says:

      I want to say sorry for speaking about Rob Bell in a demeaning manner. That’s not godly either. I hate his teaching and I wish he’d repent but I shouldn’t say things in a haughty manner.
      Also, I really like Joel Osteen. He’s one nice guy, but I wish he would apply all of the Bible into his messages. He is allowing people to go to hell by not warning them. He speaks some truth but leaves out the rest. God please open his eyes.

      • Frank says:

        I agree as some people who say we need to tell the truth to people and save them from pastors like Osteen. But please at least Osteen is doing something right. If you all want to really help people, – just leave pastors like Osteen -instead make your fight against real devils and satins- people who don’t even believe in Christ. To be honest, I have been a big fan of Pastor Mark Hughes and evan at some point, I still think, I could move to Winipeg to attend his church. However, I really feel ashamed when Pastor Mark Hughes, starts to bad mouth or make funny comments. Who are you to judge ? If religion is used at least to some extent make people follow God and righteously, just let it be. And if you want to save the world, save it from non believers. Please let us be Christians-who follow Christ and not separate each other as Baptist/catholics blah blah- Its important that non believers should see the Christ in you rather than sitting and mouthing others.- I am very disappointed in you Pastor Highes but I still love you, because I am a christian.

  3. Barbara says:

    All I can say is AMEN pastor!! Keep telling and exposing the truth!!

  4. TammyS says:

    I agree. Every so often i wonder, “what do those churches have that we do not?” How is it they grow by leaps and bounds and we seem stuck. (Rural churches are especially stuck).
    It comes down to what we preach. If we water it down, make it appealing to the masses, we would have people come in thirsty for what we say.
    Place Jesus in the center, add in the finished work at the cross, and they will leave faster than they entered. Why, because Jesus offends. Jesus exposes what is wrong in our lives. The bible offends…unless it too has been watered down.
    In the end we need to stay true to His word especially in hard in times like these. It is diffuclt when watery churches thrive like mold, but we have to stand for Jesus and nothing else. Stand for the Word.
    Thanks Pastor Mark for doing this in hard times like these. Our pastor at our home rural church stands strong for the Gospel as well.
    Thank you for not compromising the truth

  5. Honey7005 says:

    I think that Joel is using wisdom when he is being interviewed. If he didn’t then it’s possible that the liberal media would be all over him like a wet blanket.

  6. Amen. Pastor Mark you always ‘tell it like it is’!!!! And with humor too. I hope people on our fb website will stop & read your article. Thank you.

  7. Isaac says:

    At the recovery meetings at Church of the Rock, we get a lot of people who come check us out. Some stay and start to get healed and whole. And some leave never to return after one meeting. What we’ve figured out is that the majority of people who leave after one meeting do so not because they wouldn’t get healed if they followed through our program, but because they would.

    Perhaps it’s the same with Churches as a whole. And perhaps it’s part of the reason why churches that speak real truth and help people get free may grow to a certain degree, but never as much or as fast as a church like Osteen’s. Just a a thought.

    • Tj Freezn says:

      so are you indirectly saying that Joel Osteen’s church has far more healed people, percentage-wise?

    • Isaac says:

      No actually the exact opposite. I realize that what I said may have been confusing.

      What I meant was that true healing only comes when you accept the hard truths Christ presents as true, and then begin to live them. And therefore Churches that preach the whole, and difficult truths of Christ will never grow as much as the ones that tickle people’s ear’s. And that those churches will also provide no real substantial healing for anyone. Hope that makes sense now.

  8. De says:

    (thank you to everybody who left a reply – I love reading what you guys think and how you feel!)

    Pastor Mark, I had never heard of this guy before reading your blog. Upon watching the clip you were kind enough to include, I recognize this guy!!

    He’s who you were talking about when you gave your sermon on being or not being and EVANJELLYFISH!!



    • Mark Hughes says:

      You got it. I usually keep names out of it when on air. I am not trying to slag these guys but at some point someone has to say something. When Paul wrote his epistles he named names.

    • Jed says:

      Peter named names to in 2nd Peter 3 when he said the Apostle Paul could was difficult to understand in some instances, and could lead those who are weak in scripture astray, to their own detriment…most pastors today are in the same category..they do not teach the true word of God. Everyone should study the Bible on their own to make sure they are fed the truth and not the pastors’ misinformed opinion of what the Bible actually does Apostle Paul did say that was clear”work out your salvation with fear and trembling”

  9. Steve says:

    I believe it all comes down to the fact, we all need to allow Christ to do what He wants in our Churches because what we want is…….well, stupid.
    Ezekiel 34:20,21 Thus says the Lord God to them: Behold,I,I Myself, will judge between fat sheep and impoverished sheep, or fat goats and lean goats.
    Because you push with side and with shoulder and thrust with your horns all those that have become weak and diseased, till you have scattered them abroad.

  10. Shirley says:

    Agree! Wondering if you have any thoughts on Joseph Prince?

  11. Bruno says:


    Sorry if I paraphrase, but I remember one of your sermon mentioning televangelists and you mentioned something along the lines of “you may not like them, but ‘hey’ if they get results!”

    Now, I don’t know anything about this specific person, so my question is actually much more simple than what it could be: what’s the line for you in terms of televangelist? How does one fit in “goofy but good” and not in “goofy but deceptive.” Seems like deceptive and televangelists sadly goes hand-in-hand too often.

    Hopefully this make sense.

    • Mark Hughes says:

      Well, as a televangelist myself (yikes) I can honestly say we are all a little goofy, but at the end of the day the bigger question is are we preaching the gospel or not? You would have to watch Osteen yourself but he is way closer to Tony Robbins than Billy Graham. Tony Robbins and the like are the Human Potential Movement and it has nothing to do with God or the gospel.

  12. Ian says:

    You’re right Mark. That clip is embarrassing. Piers was correct when he said Joel can’t be the pastor of thousands of people without having an opinion about major moral issues. I pray he steps up at some point. Thanks for the thought provoking article.

  13. TammyS says:

    That is the thing. If they take up an opinion they risk alienating their public. No opinion means no back lash from the main stream media or public. It makes religion more palatable, easier to swallow. The idea of Christianity in today’s culture is inclusive rather than exclusive. Inclusive does not allow for opinions…except one. That is, pastors like Billy Graham, Mark Huges, Charles Stanley,..etc…are to rigided and opinionated and need to show more love and tolerance. Which does not balance with what we know of who God is.

  14. Honey7005 says:

    It’s really hard to believe what is going on these days. The TV channel that we watch good Christian programs on, they’re mocking Jesus..that he died for our sins. They have crazy skits on. (I just don’t like it)
    They even have this silly new program that makes fun of this preacher that we sometimes watch. It’s very crazy what is going on in the world.
    So, way to go Pastor Mark for telling it like it is.

  15. Joel says:

    Hey Pastor Mark, does Mrs. Osteen ever say anything or is she just a silent stage prop with a good smile? Maybe that’s the key to ratings success.

    All joking aside, I find 2 Peter 2 very fitting in cases like this and we should fear for those who use Christianity in such a perverted way.

    “These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.”

    Blackest darkness….yikes.

  16. Benjamin says:

    It is so sad when Christians chop each other to shreds and miss out the LORD’s great commission because they are busy tearing each other to pieces.


    • Jeff says:

      Sorry…I don’t agree…there has to be accountability somewhere, doesn’t there? To me, this is no different than Mike Holmes pointing out the faulty workmanship of bad contractors. The truth is the truth and when bad contractors/preachers are messing with people who don’t seemingly don’t know any better, someone has to speak up.

  17. Betty says:

    Sometimes, hearing the truth hurts, unless you search for it,like the story of,
    (A Samaritan Women Meets Her Messiah.–
    – John 4:)”You Matter To God! Jesus deliberately took a longer route, so that He could stop by Samaria to speak to the women who had been searching for something in her life to satisfy her.
    This women had had five husbands and the man she was living with was not her husband. Clearly, things had not been going right in her life.”

    Shirley, you mentioned Joseph Prince, Jesus works in a powerful way and becomes very real and alive, through that Ministry and Joseph Prince also studies and uses the Greek and Hebrew bible translations, to speak, which makes him interesting to listen too.

  18. Karen L says:

    I had never paid any attention to who Joel Osteen was until just this past week/blog. I was in Chapters in Edmonton yesterday, and this character’s books are all over the place. The “religion” section was full of all kinds of sketchy evangelists and not very credible people. We were hoping for something a little “better” and more substantial there…not to be found!

    It is always refreshing to hear someone speak that is a committed Christian. (That is well balanced, and doesn’t shove the “tolerance” junk down our throats…we’ve become such a tolerant apathetic christian society that Christians miss out and don’t stand for anything.)

  19. Evelyn Bennett says:

    This blog entry makes a lot of sense.

    I was approached with will I bend my convictions just to be liked by everyone.

    No I will not. However sometimes it is hard when you are trying to lead others to Christ.

    Have any of you been where I am?

  20. Evelyn says:

    Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
    I’m with Benjamin. Let’s get on with what we have been called to do and remember to keep the “main thing”, the main thing.

  21. lesley says:

    I came across Joel Osteen once when I was channel surfing, and he gave me the creeps. There is just something so phoney about him. Actually, I could easily picture him selling snake oil from the back of a covered wagon.

    You say he lives in a $10.5 million mansion? What bible does he read? I know that we are to have life abundantly, but it is such a turn-off to come across any ‘pastor’ (because to me, that denotes a Christian) who would live so lavishly when there are so many people they could be helping with their excess of wealth.

    There seems to be an awful lot of ‘pastors’ who are exceedingly wealthy. I think a truly God-filled person would count their blessings for a certain amount of affluence, and opt to help others with what they have at their disposal.

    Someone who calls themselves a pastor and flies first class, lives lavishly and is driven around in a limo does not seem to be getting the same message from the bible that I’m getting.

  22. joan says:

    Mr.Hughs you are in no different postion than Mr.Osteen, you are a leader in the church. I am disapointed that you would open the gates to trash talk another leader, especially when that church see’s thousands saved and people are encouraged to live for God daily after listening to him. Everybody has a different approach to the gospel, as long as the gospel is getting out we are not the ones to judge. He is who he is, yes a little cheezy but my life has been changed by his ministry, I believe an apology should be noted for this kind of disrespect.
    NOTE for all those people who ‘see’ him as being sketchy…do your homework, read his book, attend his church, see the work his dad did before him. He may be cheesy, but he’s as genuine as you get them!

    • Chris says:

      The issue is not that people find him ‘sketchy’. The issue is that he does not preach the Gospel. Romans 1:16 says, “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God unto salvation”. Osteen teaches the Gospel is the power of God to ‘Live Your Best Life Now’.

      Never apologize for calling out the preachers who preach a different Gospel. Galations 1:8 “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!”

  23. Jeremiah says:

    You are right Joan, Osteen should apologize for being so cheesy!

  24. Evelyn says:

    Pastor Hughes:
    I heard a television pastor on Sunday speak on the concept of sowing and reaping. He said “don’t judge, lest you be judged.” He said that when we criticize and judge others we will be repaid 30, 50, 100 fold. He encouraged us to take the other road. It was a really good message. You would have liked it. That pastor was you.
    I think Joan may have a point…a qualifier may be required to nip this dialogue. I’m sure it was never your intention to cause this avalanche of abuse that is being heaped on this man, who is sharing the good news of the gospel, albeit in a way that you and some others don’t agree. The gospel is going forth…Phil. 1:15-18. Let’s leave judging the motivation to Him who judges righteously.

    • Barbara says:

      There is a big difference between criticizing/judging and warning people! If you were served food at a restaurant that gave you food poisoning, would you warn others, or would you keep quiet because you didn’t want to criticize/judge. GET REAL!! That is the problem these days, people think we need to be quiet and not step on anyone’s toes, just be tolerant and watch people go to hell in a hand-basket. Meh, I don’t think so. We need a LOT more people like Pastor Mark, willing to tell the truth. There is a lot of evil and false teachings out there disguised as Christian. Be alert and learn to discern.

  25. Audrey says:

    I’m not sure I understand – why does this have to be so complicated? The Bible says plenty concerning false teachers, and many other end times situations that we need to be looking out for so that we don’t fall into traps of the enemy. About ten years ago I lived in BC, I was isolated and felt alone. I was trying to make sense of religion as I grew up with a real warped sense of Christianity. One day, two kind and lovely Jehovah’s Witnesses knocked on my door. They were about my age, and were so nice. I began talking to them, and realized that from what they showed me in thier translation of the Bible, perhaps this was what I was looking for. I found faith, and friends – and all I had to do was answer the door! I studied with them for over a year and we became very good friends. The begining of experience was very fullfilling and they had answers for everything. When my brother-in-law learned of my new “way” he began sending me material that contridicted what I was learning. When I started to question certain beliefs that they held (heaven, hell, Jesus not God, but “a god” which is against the first commandment, etc.) they became angry and accused me of lacking faith. I ended up leaving the JW’s and my new friendships became strained. The amazing thing about this experience was that I learned that what satan intended for evil – God turned around. I decided to read the Bible from cover to cover, and find out what God was really about. At this point, church was too confusing. Fast forward 10 years, I am walking with the Lord, and so are my three sons. The oldest will be entering Bible College in the fall, and he wants to become a Youth Pastor. False teachers are out there – and they do prosper – but it’s satan that is helping them along. If my bro-in-law didn’t bother listening to God, who knows where I’d be right now. Sometimes we confuse passing judgement with showing discernment (by warning others). Yes, one can argue that if it wasn’t for the JW’s I’d still be lost – but that’s not how I see it. It was because of the obedience of a Christian who risked rocking the boat. I think Pastor Mark is warning, and not judging. It’s up to us how we choose to receive this information. I have been at COTR for over six years – and if you want to know, I really think God is pleased with the work, and the message that is preached. This side of heaven won’t find perfection – but I do appreciate Biblical honesty, and Scripture taught in it’s proper context. I know that is what COTR stives for. It’s where I found Truth.

    • joan says:

      bottom line is that God warns us about trash talking anyone in the body of Christ. if we really want unity i the body we will let people with different approaches minister to the way God has shown them and let God deal with them if they are wrong. please don’t use forums like this to tear down someone who is reputable in building up the body of Christ.

      • joan says:

        a false teacher will always lead you to himself, Joel doesn’t do that, he leads you God. for those who only heard of him through this blog, really check him out for yourself i think you will like his cheezy smile, corny jokes, his mullet and most of all his positive message of hope through Jesus.

        • Jeff says:

          I can’t believe I’m going to say this but…Sunday night we were flipping through the channels and found something to watch on the OPRAH Network!!! It was a special on, of all things, Joel & Victoria Osteen and Lakewood Church!

          And…I must say, my opinion has softened…a bit. Oprah asked him if homosexuality is a sin and he didn’t skirt the question. He said according to his belief of what is written in the Bible, YES, it is a sin. But so is lying, stealing, etc. Mankind has decided being gay is a bigger sin…not God. To God, sin is sin.

          Oprah asked him if he believed there is only one way to God (Jesus) or many different ways. Joel answered that he believes and teaches/preaches that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to the Father. There are many ways to find your way to Jesus, but only ONE way to God.

          They showed portions of the worship/music elements of the service…songs I saw were definately Christ centered. So maybe the perception of no Jesus in Lakewood Church aren’t completely accurate?

          Then she asked him about his house and lifestyle. He replied that they don’t accept a salary from the church and that all their income comes from his book sales. He went on to say that their giving/tithing/charity support is proportionate to their income.

          I still don’t connect with Osteen’s “style” of preaching…I much prefer Pastor Mark, Andy Stanley, Max Lucado, sometimes even Mark Driscoll…but I’m having some second thoughts about my opinion of the “person” of Joel Osteen.

          • Evelyn says:

            Thank you for sharing that.

          • Steve says:

            I love Joel as a person. I do not want to judge him personally. I used to listen to him all the time. Loved his positive message.
            Then I began reading my Bible. The Bible seemed to have a less positive message. Crucifying the flesh and such, or taking up your cross and following Jesus. It made my bones cringe.
            I began looking for preachers that preached what the Bible said and I realised I might have been very far off the mark. These positive messages did nothing for the transformation of my worldly self into a meek man who is willing to surrender my will and my evil attitudes before the feet of Jesus. I began to realise the hard message was much more positive than the easy message because it deposited riches in me nobody could ever take away.

  26. Honey7005 says:

    My Husband and I have been watching this Australian Christian Channel online since I came across it, which was about..6 months ago. They have very, very great Christian they have great Christian movies too.
    One of the programs the Australian Christian Channel has is Joel Osteen..and they show the full hour long program, which includes their worship. Plus, Joel’s wife Victoria preaches as well right after their worship.
    What a great one hour program!

  27. Barry Tuomi says:

    If I were fortunate to get on even a low rated talk show by a 2nd rate British journalist on CNN and was asked about my faith I would tell them truth. God give these called individuals opportunities you and I never receive. I remembered hearing Larry King asking Billy Graham where would he end up if he was not born again. Billy was not insulting but was clear and presise “You will spend eternity in Hell.” Larry was visible shook up and they went to a commercial break. Pride will stop us from taking a step in faith. Osteen’s pride of not offending anyone get’s in his way of speaking the gospel. I pray he changes and says actually preaches the gospel. Mark you will constantly be under attack because you speek the truth (many do not see it in love). People in general are thin skinned and are offended way to easy. Jesus spoke of dusting off your sandals and moving on if they do not want to hear you. I say Just Do It and if results are not there move on. Being sensitive to the Holy Spirit is essential and you will know if are preaching in love.

  28. Joe says:

    One of the Best strong voiced preacher is Jimmy Swaggart. Now that’s a guy who was not affraid to speak about the gospel. It is too bad that church leaders did not forgive him.

  29. Sheep says:

    “Although George Whitefield disagreed with John Wesley on some theological matters, he was careful not to create problems in public that could be used to hinder the preaching of the gospel. When someone asked Whitefield if he thought he would see Wesley in heaven, Whitefield replied, “I fear not, for he will be so near the eternal throne and we at such a distance, we shall hardly get sight of him.” (w. Wiersbe, Wycliffe Handbook of Preaching and Preachers

  30. Sheep says:

    Joel reaches people and they give their heart to Christ- is that not THE point???

  31. Raf says:

    Pastor Mark,

    I remember reading your blog post when it first came out, and when I saw this video it brought me back to this topic. Feel free to check it out, its an interesting perspective on this topic.

    I think it provides a good analysis into the situation.


  32. Rizk says:

    I would like to take this opportunity to thank you pastor Hughes for your service; your sermons are always full of passion and it is clear to me that the spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord lives in you. While Mr. Osteen’s may be full of good intentions in his message, it is not the teaching of the Bible. Matthew 6:24, need I say more.

    God Bless us all!

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